Posted by tankbb April 9, 2009...

safest place to sell? buymmoaccounts.com or playerauctions.com or is there a better place? thanks for your input!

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Posted by chris April 9, 2009...

They are both excellent choices. Both of these sites offer a scam-free legitimate service to the gaming community. Playerauctions is an auction site where buymmoaccounts.com is a company retailing accounts. When selling to buymmoaccounts.com you receive a quote and if accepted you are paid in 24 hours. When selling on playerauctions you put your account up for bid and are only paid if there is a winning bidder. Both sites offer guaranteed payments to sellers, meaning the payments will never be reversed at a later time.


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Posted by tankbb April 9, 2009...

Thank you! that makes it a lot easier to understand

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Posted by chris April 9, 2009...

Not a problem, have fun.

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Posted by tankbb April 9, 2009...

im sure this belongs in another thread but is thee a way to create diff. profiles of the same character on mywowarmory?-such as having links to a dps, tanking, and pvp set?

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Posted by chris April 9, 2009...

That is a pretty good idea. Let me talk to our web guy and see what we can do.

Cheers!

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Posted by Krazed April 12, 2009...

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but no site that accepts PayPal is safe to buy or sell. Contrary to popular belief just because someone says your protected doesn't mean you are. Coming from someone who has sold over 200 wow accounts I can tell you that PayPal and similar methods have no protection for the buyer or the seller.

In-fact PayPal's buyer and seller complaint policies don't even cover virtual items, just like most payment sources. The reason is because it's nearly impossible to verify virtual transactions, the buyer claims they didn't receive it, seller claims they sent it... no way to really prove what happened!

The best thing you can do is always use a credit card for your purchase, that way if your scammed you can usually do a charge back. Also make sure to always get to know the person your buying from and selling to, require a phone call, get there ID if your buying an account, do anything possible to get to know them.

I personally prefer to use craigslist when I'm buying or selling, they don't have any of there own protection but craigslist users are usually more legitimate. Also if you can find someone local or find someone who can process credit cards not through a third party like PayPal or Google Checkout you usually know you found someone safe.

Always stay safe when buying and selling, there are tons of scammers lurking around every corner and a lot of places that say they protect you when there is no way they can! You have to protect yourself to make sure you don't lose out on an account or your money!

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Posted by Krazed April 12, 2009...

Double post, couldn't find an edit button. Forgot to mention that if you buy from a business' your always safe as well, I've had good experience with about every wow business' that is well know, but when buying from someone private be careful!

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Posted by reseller April 13, 2009...

I personally prefer to use craigslist when I'm buying or selling, they don't have any of their own protection but craigslist users are usually more legitimate.


Couldn't be further from accurate. Craigslist is infested and is also a poor tool to sell with because offers aren't 'global', but are highly compartmentalized. (Meaning no traffic, and no offers, thus no sale.) And there's plenty of scammers that LOVE Craigslist because they know it's used by people that are still very new to the internet and haven't found safer or more effective solutions. Great for garage sale stuff, not recommended for digital assets.

For player to player trade: There's only one site that's very secure, and it has already been mentioned earlier in the post. If a buyer tries to scam, then they scam the site, not the seller. 100% flawless seller protection. - They take 15% as a secure processing fee. If you want to take security in your own hands, then you can make a little more, but need to know how to know that someone is exactly who they claim to be. To learn how to do that online, just read the safe trading guide at rpgreseller. Eventually, I'm sure there will be a similar safe trading guide at mywowarmory, or perhaps a verification or transaction service of sorts.

For player to business trade: There's a lot of sites out there. And they all need to keep a good reputation because they're websites. If you have a storefront, it can be burned or lost. Stores tend to be honest businesses because there's a lot of money in having all that glitz, glam, marketing, getting you way to the top twenty in google... you don't throw that away by scamming a few wow accounts. - Bottom line, go to any website, they're all exactly 100% the same.... However, if you want to speak with English speaking CS, it's buymmoaccounts.com or toonstorm.com

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Posted by chris April 13, 2009...

I would have to agree, any place that offers users to get together to conduct private trades or sales is going to be riddled with scammers; it’s the bane of the Internet. Doing your research when you are completing a private transaction is priceless; my recommendation is to complete the transaction over the telephone.

Reputable North American Account Retailers:

BuyMMAccounts.com – Established in 2007, this site has been in business the longest out of any of the established account retailing companies. Over the last two years this site has built a strong reputation in the gaming community. This company both buys and sells accounts.
ToonStorm.com – Established in 2008, good reputable company with English speaking representatives. Good stock of inventory and offers guaranteed and reputable transactions. This company both buys and sells accounts.
DirectMMO.com – Established in 2009, reputable smaller account retailing company. Selling pre-made or hand leveled gaming accounts. This company only sells accounts.
EpicMMO.com – Established in 2008 – Reputable smaller account retailing company. This company both buys and sells accounts.
Accounts.net – Established in 2007, previously owned by Brendan Blummer now operated by the same individual that operates MMOwned.com a popular forum community for account scammers, exploiters and cheaters. The site is still North American run however not sure how reputable the site is anymore. This company both buys and sells accounts.

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Posted by Sabastin April 14, 2009...

isnt it against game rules to sell accounts?

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Posted by Goddess April 16, 2009...

Yes it is against the TOS, however a lot of us put a ton of time into WoW and end up being unable to play for whatever reason. I personally think it is retarded to just let that character collect dust when someone else out there can put it to good use. There is nothing wrong with asking for some cash to compensate for all the time we spent on those characters imho.

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Posted by Spitt April 16, 2009...

The owners of Accounts.net are legit. They are also US owned still. Accounts.net is where I have all my accounts up for consignment. I pay a higher fee then the 15% of player auctions, but on the other hand, I can list all of my accounts which are under different names in different areas. The only reason I am allowed this however is because I have an agreement with them and a no-recall guarantee. I have been working with them for about 1 year now.

If you make a lot of accounts, then putting them under your real name is a pain in the arse. My company has made well over 1000 accounts in the last 6 months. I did try to work out a deal with buymmoaccounts.com however they were not really interested in the deal. I have tried some of those other companies as well, but again, they don't really work with powerlevelers and prefer to buy from the average consumer.

One thing to keep in mind, as an option is to get TrustWho verified, and then only trade with users who are TrustWho verified. While this will not guarantee that you will not be scammed, it's just one of many steps to take to make sure you are safe.

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Posted by mikez006 April 22, 2009...

mmobay.net is also a good place to sell you account. Auction style site

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Posted by Spitt April 24, 2009...

I don't like having to pay an auction site to list my accounts. Then paying a percentage at the end if it does sell. Yes, i know it's just like ebay, however I for one have paid more in fees to list at times, then I ended up getting in the end, when it doesn't sell the first few times. Thus I don't like mmobay.net.

By the way, i wanted to mention something about toonstorm, for the person who said they are legit. Thats not quite true. They ripped off IGE and failed to pay them for referred business. This is a bit of payback however, as IGE ripped off a ton of gold sellers about 2-3 years ago.

So my untrusted applies to both IGE and Toonstorm.

Also for those trading on forums, I actually no longer like selling on MarkeeDragon. They changed the way that you could report scammers. In order to report a scammer, you now have to open a trade with them. Now, if you are someone who is good at finding scammers, then you used to be able to just mark them as suspicious or an out right scammer without having had to actually work with them. Now, it's the opposite, if you both dont open a transaction, then you cant mark them as scammers.


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Posted by TheGameSupply May 25, 2009...

If you are looking for a safe place to both buy and sell world of warcraft accounts I highly suggest checking out www.thegamesupply.net.

TheGameSupply.net LLC is a family owned company dba Thegamesupply.net. Located in Wrightsville beach, North Carolina. We have been active in the mmorpg sales and reselling for over 6 years!

So, if your looking to buy or sell your wow account come check us out for a little peace of mind. We pride ourselves on being 100% US based and have under a 1% recall rate!

Thanks,

The Game Supply

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Posted by KcJAccounts.com June 1, 2009...

Hey,

KcJAccounts.com LLC is a USA based company that have been buying and selling World Of Warcraft US accounts since WoW was released over 5 years ago on November 23, 2004.

I, Casey "KcJ" Johnson, am the founder/owner of www. KcJAccounts.com and I pride myself where I have taken KcJAccounts.com and turned it into the successful business we are. We pride ourselves in customer service and our 100% account recall-free guarantee along with offering more for your account than any competition and love returning customers who receive many benefits!

Unlike other companies who deal with inventories of thousands and thousands accounts we strive in account safety & security as we know how important your WOW account is. Our recall rate is unlike any other, we only purchase from Original Owners who pass extensive security checks along with requiring them to send in a high quality scanned ID (Drivers/State ID) copy.

If you feel like you want to check us out, feel free to contact us via live chat on the website, AIM messenger, MSN messenger, & email support ;)

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Posted by magikrose June 26, 2009...

I have a question I was hoping that someone could answer. I have posted my account on Craigslist for sale. I know Craigslist has a lot of scams, so I try to be cautious. Everyone that responds to the ad has asked me to IM them. This was not just like 2-3 people. It was at least 10. I never did IM them because it was a little odd. But does anyone know if that is a legit scam and why they do that? Thanks!

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Posted by looted June 27, 2009...

Try www.gametag.com

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Posted by Transducer August 14, 2009...

Hello. I was trying to find an answer to this question on playerauctions.com, but they don't seem to have a forum or such. Since this thread mentions them a lot, I'd like to ask a question about selling on there.

I have noticed that pretty much ALL the major company websites you can sell to clearly state 'we do not accept battle.net merged accounts at this time'. My guess (unless they seriously consider the possible reasons I mention bellow) is that they are just being picky and are more comfortable with a smoother regular-username-account, might take them awhile to broaden that. Well just my luck, the account I'm considering to sell IS in that state, and I don't think it can be reversed anytime soon.

What I really want to know is, would that be an issue on playerauctions.com? Since it is sold directly to players, I suppose the REAL question is: Is there any reason why someone would be reluctant to buy a battle.net merged account over a regular one?

The only possible reasons I can think of... being associated with other games they don't own.. well, that's not the case with this account, it's just WoW. Perhaps moreso, would having your battle.net email address as your username be considered MUCH less secure? I honestly don't understand why the hell battle.net does that in the first place, but I can imagine that it may be worse having your username and email address name being the same thing...


So yeah, am I most likely unable to sell this account now? Would like honest opinions and/or certain info, thanks.

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Posted by Fury556 August 14, 2009...

Transducer brings up a good question. I too have merged my account with battle.net but don't own any other Blizzard games. I hope this doesn't make my account unsellable. Also, besides mywowarmory.com, is there another site that I can use that will give people the ability to see everything that is in my bags and bank? That would be quite helpful when selling an account. Thanks for any info

Fury556

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Posted by reseller September 2, 2009...

I work at PlayerAuctions and have been their 'account trade' guy for over a year now.

We fully and equally support the sale of battle.net accounts, and regular accounts.

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Posted by ALT September 7, 2009...

Is PlayerAuctions down? That website doesn't work for me. www.PlayerAuctions.com

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Posted by prismacolor September 13, 2009...

What's word on gamepal.com? I got a 935$ quote on my account and am thinking of selling to them.

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Posted by EpicMMO September 16, 2009...

As the user above stated on April 13th, 2009... EpicMMO is the #1 Account Buy/Sell website. We have been in the business over 5 years and are US based. You will always be talking to an American representative!

Visit EpicMMO for all your account needs!! Quotes in less then 4 hours!

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Posted by TheGameSupply September 18, 2009...

We kick epicmmo's ass. Live quotes, also US ran, better armory system, just better than Snowy!

Also to the guy asking about gametag, gamewar, warcraftloot.net all owned same company, and others. Do a simple google search to learn more.

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Posted by Moreorless October 7, 2009...

http://www.buymmoaccounts.com/ wants to give me 142$ for 2 lvl 80s. LOL ya right.

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Posted by Tesar October 7, 2009...

Don't trust what Reseller says, and for the love of god, do not sell an account through Player Auctions. They pretend to offer buyer/seller protection, but what they actually mean is that unless the transaction goes 100% smoothly, they will do everything they can to take no liability and are not above selling your account without compensating you.

This was a message I wrote to Player Auctions trust team when my sale was disputed by the buyer. I tried repeatedly to get in contact with them to figure out how to resolve the issue, and received no help from their customer service. In fact, when I tried to use their live chat service, the person on the other end wouldn't even verify who I was supposed to email in regards to my case.

Hello,

I have decided to contact Player Auctions customer support directly in attempt to find out the status of Order ID: 97555, a WoW account sold on Playerauctions by me on September 27th, 2009. Not only did I provide full and accurate details of the account in my auction listing, I even gave unrequested extra information (like additional expansion serial numbers) to the buyer when he made his purchase. I also answered any questions he had to the best of my knowledge and ability, and encouraged him to notify me if he had any issues or concerns with the game account, or if anything was to his dissatisfaction. At the end of the 3-day waiting period for the buyer to make delivery confirmation, the buyer (johnathanbtn) disputed the delivery, then despite my attempts to try to contact him through the Player Auctions messaging system, escalated the dispute without responding to the information I gave him.

To summarize the buyer's complaint (which I have taken very seriously and have looked into thoroughly to guarantee I am not, in fact, at fault), he claims that because the account was merged with Battle.net he is unable to transfer the character to his own game account and the only way to ensure that I will not attempt to take back the account is to be able to transfer it. However, I have investigated and found the following information on Blizzard's website.

http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20558 - Blizzard Support FAQ on Paid Character Transfers (for non-Battle.net accounts i.e. "Regular" Accounts) states the following:
- Transfers between accounts can be done only if you are the registered user on both accounts. (We do not support the transfer of characters between friends, guild mates, or family members.)

http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=26163 - Paid Character Transfer Restrictions for Battle.net Accounts:
- Once merged, a World of Warcraft account can only transfer to or from other merged World of Warcraft accounts. In addition, the accounts must be registered under the same last name.

These two support topics from Blizzard's website show that regardless of a Battle.net merger, an account-to-account transfer is not possible for ALL World of Warcraft accounts without the names matching on both accounts. In fact, a Battle.net account is technically easier to try to attempt a transfer since only the last name must match, whereas a regular account requires a full name match. Also, I provided all the information to the account to Player Auctions which was then turned over and changed by the buyer. I do not think I would even be able to reclaim the account at this point since Player Auction's helped facilitate him to turn the information on the account over to his and I have made no attempt to find out or guess what the new information is. Not only that, but it was my belief that PlayerGuardian protects all buyers from accounts being reclaimed by sellers, and thus the buyer's issue seems to be over a misunderstanding of Blizzard's account-to-account transfer policies and Player Auction's protection services rather than any ambiguity or negligence on my part as a seller.

I would also like to affirm that the buyer has CONFIRMED that the account is playable, fully accessible to him, has had it's information changed, came with playtime, and (seemingly, since he didn't say anything about the condition of the actual character/account) came as described in the original auction. I also have already sold my other WoW account through Player Auctions (which was also merged with Battle.net) with no problems and received positive feedback from the buyer. In fact, I do not even have a copy of WoW anymore (I sold my accounts because real life obligations required me to quit mmorpgs), so I'm not sure why the buyer assumes that I will try to reclaim the account using the same information that all sellers provide for delivery. Also, I must admit that originally I did not forsee the buyer having any issues doing what he wanted to do since the character has been eligible for transfer for months now, and I have never bought an account much less tried to transfer a bought account to my own. However, once the dispute was raised and then escalated, I looked into the matter and sent several messages to the buyer through Player Auction's message system with links to Blizzard's policies and as thorough of an explanation as I've included here.

Finally, I have researched extensively both through Player Auction's website and on other resources about Player Auctions regarding their policies toward game accounts, seller's agreement, buyer's agreement, offers, fraud protection, and user agreements. No where am I able to find any information that says a Battle.net merger invalidates an offer listing or must be disclosed within the listing. Since the nature of a Battle.net merger does not actually change anything about the account, is incredibly prevalent (most WoW accounts are now Battle.net accounts), and soon to be mandatory, I in no way acted like I was trying to hide anything from the buyer. In fact, the ONLY information I can find online relating Battle.net accounts and Player Auctions is a link to mywowarmory's forum (http://www.mywowarmory.com/forum/thread.php?id=71) with a forum poster identifying themselves as reseller who stated:

"I work at PlayerAuctions and have been their 'account trade' guy for over a year now.
We fully and equally support the sale of battle.net accounts, and regular accounts."

It was my belief that when the buyer agrees to buy an account and pays for it, he is obligated to follow through with the purchase after delivery barring any error or oversight on my end. Since his confusion was not over my account specifically, but all World of Warcraft game accounts and Blizzard's policies, that does not suggest any fault of mine. Not only that, but the buyer is protected through Player Guardian and Player Auctions against his only concern and does not seem to be familiar with those policies either. No where have I found precedent for his argument, or have I found that it's the seller's responsibility to issue a refund simply because the buyer changed his opinion about account buying in general. In fact, as the seller, I thought I was protected by Player Auctions against frivolous disputes and potential fraud.

I mention potential fraud since all the account information has been given to him at this point, and even if a refund was issued and the account was returned to me, I could no longer even say I was the original owner. Not only that, but the account has been played and used since it's been turned over by the buyer and is no longer wanted by me. It would be impossible to resell after that since the account information has been shared, and there is nothing stopping the buyer from taking his refund and then taking the account back as well. This constitutes fraud in my book, and if that is the way the situation plays out, I will be forced to seek legal counsel and warn other potential Player Auction's users that they do not stand by their seller protection.

Right now the status of my order is "Dispute Pending Seller Evidence." Since it appears that WoW accounts do not require Seller Evidence since they are mitigated through Player Auctions, I am not sure what I am supposed to submit. I thought I would state my case fully to Player Auction's customer support. I hope this dispute will be worked out soon and that the Final Resolution Committee will perform their duties quickly and honorably.

-----

Not only did I never receive a reply to any of this, but I just got this message finally in regards to the status of my order.

Dear Tesar,

For this order, the buyer had contacted us said he had returned you the game account so we will close it as 0% completed and issue a full refund to the buyer.

Regards,

The PlayerAuctions Team

-----

Player Auctions policies state that if a dispute arises and a refund is necessary, that they will secure the account information and verify it's condition before returning the money. However, not only did they not follow through with any of their promised protections, they effectively sold my account, gave it to the buyer, then refunded back all his money. I have not been contacted once by the buyer or Player Auctions about the new login information.

So WARNING: DO NOT BUY OR SELL GAME ACCOUNTS ON PLAYER AUCTIONS. Their PlayerGuardian protection is a sham, and you'll be lucky if you can get their customer service to be civil to you, much less helpful at all. Sellers are given NO protection against potential buyer fraud. All it takes is for the buyer to claim that you did one thing wrong, and even if it's not true or not valid, Player Auctions will give them your account without any compensation or explanation.

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Posted by nelfdruid October 13, 2009...

any word on gamepal? they offered me $1400 for my account, which seems way over the top considering most of their accounts "sell" for about $200.

seems far too good to be true. anyone dealt with them?

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Posted by Mingink October 29, 2009...

Gamepal are rubbish from what i've been reading on different websites. I recently had an account submission up on there but after 8 days and still no response i researched the website and aparently they will buy your account off you, and later they will say you 'hacked it back' and demand the money back or threaten to take you to court. After i read this I changed all my details and e-mailed them telling them that i had and asking them not to contact me again, which they probably wouldnt because of the 3-4 e-mails I had sent them all the e-mails back were automated ones...

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Posted by landenlord2 November 5, 2009...

well ive been scammed once allrdy ....just saying

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Posted by landenlord2 November 5, 2009...

but this is ok i guess since theres not many places were u can do this anyways

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Posted by Spitt November 22, 2009...

If you're wondering who is legit, and who isn't, check out complaintsboard.com and do a search for the company in question.

As for PlayerAuctions, I had a long time customer buy from them, a WoW account instead of me. Everything went great for about 30 days, until it was recalled. So this guy contacted Player Auctions, and was told he needed proof that the account was recalled. Unfortunately, Blizzard doesn't give proof that the account was recalled, so Player Auctions didn't side with him. An interesting note however, is he tried to contact Blizzard about it, after he got scammed by PA. Blizzard said they couldn't do anything about it, because he didnt have the real name on the account. So first we now know PlayerAuctions doesn't require the customer to give the valid information. We also can assume that had this customer told Blizzard the correct name, he might have been able to at minimum, get the account banned.

As Tesar said... NEVER BUY or SELL from Player Auctions. It's a scam, and their Player Guardian Technology is a Load of Schlitz! Please report their scam at complaintsboard.com, so other people can find the information easier.

For those of you wondering why the companies weren't buying battle.net merged accounts... when an account is hacked, scammed, traded, or stolen, the people would merge them to battle.net accounts and then give all the "info" to the account selling sites. And then the original owner, not having access to the account, would contact Blizzard telling them how they no longer have access to their account, and get the original account back.

I am no longer dealing with accounts.net to sell my accounts, I have other sites I deal with now. It's not because they are not legit. At the moment they are changing some things up, and not offering commission sales. If it goes back to it, I will have my accounts up there again.


I am also selling them directly at mmoaccountsales.com. Unlike other sites, including PA, we do have a true Guaranteed No-Recall. If you're wondering how we can guarantee it, it's simple... we don't buy other people's accounts and resell them. We level all our own accounts, all by hand. We have the original CDKey, Screenprint, Name, Address, and SQA. We are currently working on some accounts to get T8.5 gears, for some of our newer accounts. We have about 120 accounts in stock currently, though only about 75 of them are listed right now.

If you have a site selling accounts, and wish to add my accounts to your site, we have an xml feed, and like I said, guarantee no-recall and have all the true information on the accounts. We can discuss details, if you email me at --- support at mmoaccountsales dot com.

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Posted by Blackscout March 22, 2010...

Thanks =P Glad to see some cool websites that are scamf ree

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Posted by Spitt April 17, 2010...

We are now in the process of moving over all our profiles to anonprofiles.com. Once we get as many accounts over as we can, we will start activating some of the older accounts and getting them switched over as well.

For those who have read this thread, and have come to mmoaccountsales.com in order to sell your accounts, let me stop you now. We do not buy any accounts. We do not trade accounts. The reason for this, is simply that we level our own accounts. This ensures that our accounts are never recalled - Ever! No other site can guarantee that their accounts will never be recalled. Even transferring characters to a new account is not safe! Trust the only company who can absolutely guarantee no recalls - mmoaccountsales.com.

We now offer resell powerleveling via another site. We can do WOW, STO, WAR, AoC, Evony, & FFXI. If you are a company in need of a powerleveling company or wholesale accounts, please feel free to contact me via email - support[at]mmoaccountsales[dot]com.

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Posted by reseller July 4, 2010...

Wow, Spitt. I didn't think you would be the kind to attack other businesses with direct defamation in order to promote your own. I just lost a lot of respect. That's shameful and it's really not the way to behave in a community environment. It's also not the appropriate way to promote yourself.

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Posted by reseller July 5, 2010...

Don't trust what Reseller says, and for the love of god, do not sell an account through Player Auctions.


Sellers get a guaranteed payment, doesn't even matter if the buyer uses a stolen credit card and PlayerAuctions loses money.
i.e. Selling is completely unscammable. Period.

You are talking about buying (not selling).
As a BUYER, you had a problem. Let's talk about that and find out what really happened.

It is important to note that PlayerAuctions is customer to customer trade, not business to customer. This changes everything. Essentially, PlayerAuctions is the eBay of digital goods. In the same way that a person wouldn't say, "eBay scammed me!", they also wouldn't say, "PlayerAuctions scammed me." - it's customer to customer.

The person you dealt with stole back their game account. Shame on them.
However PlayerAuctions did make you a guarantee. (We are going to talk about that because that is the only way they failed you.)

It's also important to understand what you were buying. (used, non-original owner game account.)

There's two kind of sellers for wow accounts:
1. Original owners (<=1% industry reclamation rate)
2. Non-original owners (5% industry reclamation rate)

Companies like buymmoaccounts ask for ID, log in, and verify that you are an original owner. They ONLY deal in 'original owner' accounts. This means more safety, but at a higher cost because you aren't dealing player to player. (Not every 'business to customer' company verifies so strictly or has high standards, do your research.)

Companies like PlayerAuctions allow non-original owners to sell their game accounts. This is nice for sellers (guaranteed payment nomatter what happens), but this isn't always a good thing for buyers becuase the company might not believe you if you claim that your account was reclaimed by a previous owner. i.e. they know that any buyer might be lying.

Let's talk about the guarantee now. This is where PlayerAuctions actually did anything wrong:
PlayerAuctions failed customers by offering free, lifetime money-back protection for all game accounts. That sounds nice, it draws sales, but it's too big to be realistic. PlayerAuctions eventually faced a decision.

1. Go out of business and refund lots of people.
2. Avoid the refunds, take the heat, fix things, do a better job from then on.

Option 1 was tempting, however they only make about 10-15% per sale, and also have to cover operating expenses. This is very different from a 'business to customer' company that has leisurely 40-50% markups because sellers were underpaid. However this 'profit for sellers' model leaves nearly zero room for refunds. The seller has all the money, not us.

They chose option #2, and I helped them fix their problems by writing better processes and policies. e.g.:

1. 'Lifetime protection' becomes 14 days (the highest risk period).
2. The 5% surcharge to pay for 'lifetime protection' is now a subscription fee for those that want more than 14 days of protection.
3. No more dodging the ball. If a customer has coverage and gets reclaimed, they get market credit without any BS or runaround.
4. Begin better verification processes so that it is absolutely impossible for an offer to be mis-labled as 'original owner'

You won't find protections like this from any other customer to customer business. Particularly the unscammable payments for sellers.

They made a mistake that was painful for their customers. Then they fixed it. Since they chose to fix it and do a great job, I still have
huge respect for them because I know they're running the best customer to customer platform on the planet. It is the best website
to sell a game account at. As far as buying, look around. There's good deals everywhere.

There's only one business model with a 0% reclamation rate on accounts. That's the businesses that make the accounts instead of
buying them used. Generally accounts like that are botted, so there's a small risk of getting a ban within the first few months of your
purchase, however they generally have replacement policies to cover for this. It is indeed a great way to buy an account.

To close on discussing safety, I'll repeat myself: Companies like buymmoaccounts ask for ID, log in, and verify that you are an original owner. They ONLY deal in 'original owner' accounts. If you're looking for safety, then know the verification practices and purchasing policies of who you are dealing with.

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Posted by Spitt July 14, 2010...

reseller, glad to know that you helped PlayerAuctions finally fix their policies. It was a running joke for a long time, guess we can finally trust what you say ;)

For the record, since you mentioned the 0% reclamation on self leveled accounts, I want to add that mmoaccountsales.com - does NOT bot. We hand level each and every one of our accounts. So, safest place to buy? MMOAccountSales...

Accounts.net is now offering consignment sales. They are acting as a psuedo middleman, which requires ID and will verify each and every seller AND buyer. Read the FAQ for more info.

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Posted by fa113n August 4, 2010...

www.gamepal.com is a horrible scam, if you look on complaints board they have dozens of complaints. They will buy your account and send you the money, months later when it's out of head and out of mind without you touching the account they will accuse you of recalling your account back (if if you didn't) and will send collection agencies after you. http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/gamepal-c196057.html

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